Bullseye

[screenman]

David, nice plug for your product. I must say I do not find the need to start off on a vacuum. If I need to probe I have no problem removing the injector from the nice, simple well made, single seal, uncomplicated Delta injector and pushing a probe down to open the break. I feel most often when a bullseye is hard to fill it is more likely to be down too the amount of pressure applied to the injector seal against the screen. As we all know this will shut down a bullseye better than it does a star, just by the nature of the break

[GlassStarz]

Dave I havnt tried putting the probe down while working a Bull makes sence will def try on the next one

[Brent Deines]

Why probe a bullseye? Are they really that hard to fill? Frankly if you cannot fill a bullseye without probing or pulling a vacuum first, you've got some real problems.

[Dave M]

I use GT's PRISM injector (according to their directions) starting with a vacuum. I don't use a probe on a bulls-eye, there is no need to do such! However, saying I have a problem because I use vacuum first.....it's not a problem, because my bulls-eye repairs come out great! If you use Delta tools than use as instructed. I know that Brent's comment was not directed at me, but I always start with vacuum cycle as instructed by my manufacturer!

[Brent Deines]

Good point Dave, and thank you for not taking what I said out of context. If you use a system that requires that method and you are having good luck with it, than by all means that is what you should do.

This was not directed at you are the users of any competitors product, but it definitely gets my goat when an employee of a competitor tries to use a Delta Kits owned website to shamelessly promote their products. Daveycrewcut knows better than that.

Thanks again Dave M.

[GlassStarz]

I have to agree with brent on this one its his website and Delta is his company he is extra lenient with comments about other companies products but there has to be a limit

[rowdy13]

Ok, got a question. as you know I have the GT spectrum, and according to directions, you do a vacuum first. Delta does not use a vacuum first, and I know Brent, you are a "no vacuum first" peep. So, on my GT system, can I skip the first step, being a vacuum, and start the pressure cycle and then it would be pretty much the same as a Delta system? I am trying out the Delta system, and I'm confused about the "vacuum, no vacuum". I havent got a chance to do a lot of repairs with either one the past couple of days, but I did try out the Delta and will continue to practice with it. I really like how small (or should I say more compact) the Delta is over my GT. I also like the suction cup on the Delta better than the GT. Its just so quick to put the delta on the glass, pump, and go from there. One thing I'm wondering about on the Delta, is I feel its more restricted on how much pressure I can put on a repair. The GT injector goes way out, and I feel I have more control over how much pressure I want to use. On the Delta, the pressure cycle is pre-determined , although I can use my thumb to put more pressure if I need or want to. I have no idea if it matters or not. any help or suggestions or explanations would be appreciated.

[Brent Deines]

While we wait for others to answer, let me just say that the difference is that with the Delta Kits injector there is no air between the piston and the resin. While other systems claim to be 100% hydraulic, any engineer will tell you that just is not so. So, does that matter or not? We believe it matters a lot because you need less pressure to get the resin to flow into the break, but obviously others have their own opinions. Only one way to find out which one works best for you, and you are doing it. Test as many systems as can, as thoroughly as you can, and if possible attend the training of every system you are serious about.

I do also want to say that while the initial pressure is preset on the Delta Kits system, the control is in the additional pressure you apply to the piston with your thumb and makes all the difference in the world.

I think the training with either system may end up being the determining factor though, as we often find that although we try to cover everything in the video, in our training classes we nearly always find little things that technicians are doing incorrectly that have a dramatic effect on the end result of the repair, and I would guess that GT would say the same thing. There's just nothing quite like hands on training.

Which ever system you choose I think you will be one technician that will learn to do very good repairs as you. Good luck!

[Windshieldtech]

I guess I will throw in my experience. I have not been successful creating a bulleyes with the hook tool. I don't know why....I have whacked the heck out of my practice glass at least 50 times and have never created a bullseye. Created one star and one star with an eight inch crack. My tool is no longer pointy at the end, it is flat. I have actually scared myself trying to make a break, any kind of break...I have tried the wrist snap also...still couldn't. I guess being a girl I just didn't have the strength. I gave up. Good Luck.

[Ricersux]

I feel the best tool for making bullseye breaks is to drill a hole in the glass and then use the slide hammer. Perfect bullseyes everytime!

For star breaks go to home depot and ask the tool department guy for a spring loaded punch. These are adjustable and can create great star breaks.

No more wrist flick!