Wick Resin Into Starbreak

[glassdoctor]

I was entertained by the now-locked thread on bullseye rings... and even though the question was answered and the topic was sidetracked, it was a good thread nonetheless.

One thing I have to ask DeltaKits about... a profound statement that has surely shattered my faith in Delta, unless there was some funny stuff being smoked at the home office.

TEST:
Take one starbreak.
Put one drop of resin on the OUTSIDE of the glass over one of those legs.
Does that crack accept the resin?
Most cracks are surface cracks, and they will pull resin in through capillary action, just from the surface.

Are you kidding me? Do you mean that you think the legs of a starbreak are surface cracks and resin can be wicked into the leg from the surface? You can't be serious. Really?

I know that there can be the occasional break with a surface crack like that but it's a minute percentage.... less than 1% for sure.

Sorry just had to ask....

Yvan, I envy your experience. There are many trades I would like to learn. I guess I'm still young...

As for the bullseye ring question, about how to lessen the ring... a cooler windshield can really help. The warmer the glass the harder it is to keep the ring minimal, even with reduced pressure etc...

Cooler is definitely better for bulls and combos. I don't care for using thick resins, but that should help if the glass is warm. I prefer to cool the w/s.

[Delta Kits]

Are you kidding me? Do you mean that you think the legs of a starbreak are surface cracks and resin can be wicked into the leg from the surface? You can't be serious. Really?

Come on Glassdoctor! I didn't say "take one look at the test and bash it without trying," did I?

Of course you will find starbreaks where that won't work, but the majority of them it will. Unfortunately, I believe you missed the point. The point wasn't that "EVERY starbeak leg is a surface crack." The point is that some of these theories on this forum that have been floated out as "fact" are assumptions that are not necessarily true.

[Delta Kits]

It's pointless to argue (other than to entertain you ). There are some members here that have systems which require vacuum first. They firmly believe that is the best way. Unfortunately, we also have some members here that believe it's the ONLY way to do a good repair. These are the people that I have a problem with.

Why?

Well, of course, because our system does not need to do vacuum first. Also, in the business i'm in, we get to, every few months, all get together at tradeshows and do repairs hoping to convince more customers to buy from us. All of us do it.

Now, for those that have never attended, there are three basic theories of what to do at a tradeshow.

1. People who do no repairs.
2. People who do bullseyes only.
3. People that do starbreaks, bullseyes, and combos.

Very rarely do I see anyone other than Delta Kits doing all types of breaks.

Of course, i'm biased because I work for Delta Kits, but i'll tell you something. There has not been a single tradeshow that i've gone to, where the manufacturers of the other systems could do repairs consistently as good as we can. Maybe the other guys don't send people who are experienced at repairs. Maybe they don't feel it's as important during a show as we do. No idea why, that's just the way it is. Of course, if you use another system, and have never been to a tradeshow to see the difference, i'm sure you won't believe me. That's fine. Doesn't bother me a bit.

But then I get back, and hear the same flawed assumption that "you HAVE to pull a vacuum first." It's simply not true, and that's all i'm trying to get across.

With a vacuum first system, you need to pull a vacuum first. I've never ONCE said you can't do a repair with those type of systems. What i'm saying is that you can do every bit as good of a repair with a pressure first system.

[mafsu]

I agree with Jeff. I use a pressure first system(not Delta), and I have always and will always be willing to put my repairs up against anyones.

[Delta Kits]

Just to be clear.

I'm not saying you can't do a great repair vacuum first. I'm saying you ABSOLUTELY CAN do a great repair pressure first.

[mafsu]

I agree with that, both ways will work. Not downing the Vaccuum first method.

[glassdoctor]

I totally agree with the points you were making about vacuum, etc... it was just the analogy of the starbreak that got my attention.

I'm not arguing or anything...

I have done many thousands of repairs and I have rarely seen a star with a surface crack leg. And when there is one, it's usually only one of the legs and I have yet to see one with several legs being surfaced. Just wanted to make that clear... that's the facts.

So I'm still wondering if you guys have been sniffin too much resin lately.

This forum is great.

[mafsu]

You can never sniff too much resin.

[repare-brise]

GlassDoc

Thanks for the kind words, as we all know here experiance is useless unless you can share it, and no it's never to late, Seeing as I havenever smoked, consumed alcohol, coffee, tea, or mind altering substances I had to get my kicks elsewhere, learing is my drug of choice(followed closely by racing).

Jeff is correct in his statement that a surface crack will injest air. To counter this admitidly rare occurance(your 1% estimate is high), I simply put a drop of crack resin on the offending leg covered by a curing tab. This stops air from entering the break and has the added benifit of drawing resin into the crack by means of the vacumm created by the injector.

Jeff

All that I post is indeed fact(and easly provable, hence my little science experiments with straws), it would be irresposible of me (or anyone else) to speak to a subject that I have no knowledge of(IE: grammar or spelling would be examples of what I would not advance myself on since english is a second language for me). My postings are in no way meant to offend you, or your company, just to state facts and answer questions. The fact that not everyone here uses you products should be an indication that you have a great, and democratic forum(as far as I am aware all that you delete is references to a company that does not want to be associated with your product or forum, there loss) that invites open and frank discussions. Your ribs at my education are well taken but my experiance is none the less valid and extensive(and yes my cabinetmaking experiance has served me as a WSR tech), but we must keep in mind that this is not a pissing match, or a contest as to who knows more, but a free and open discussion that can only benifit all participants involved. I have used your injectors(and many others) and they work as designed, which is superbly, but as you know there are other systems that give results as good as yours, and others that are best left on the shelf . I don't believe that I have ever said anyhtig negative about your products(and I won't either) It is not my place to influence anyone's purchacing decisions, just to inform the best I can and let the user determine what is best for them.

All the best

[glassdoctor]

Wow, I go to post a reply and theres a bunch of guys beat me to it....

I agree that repairs can be done just fine either way. Also, I get the frustration you guys have when you see blanket statements concerning wsr methods.

I have seen many examples of that where a claim is made as if it's a fact when it's not true at all. That's a weird thing about the wsr industry, imo. I have said that in the past... there is not much agreement among wsr companies and there is too much misinformation in general.

I don't think you see this in most trades, and it damages the credibility of the whole wsr trade imo.