Windshield Scratches-Glas-Weld Distortion Free System

[GlasWeldTech]

Lots of comments from an old thread. I am wondering why all the concern again.I was told by Glas Weld when I bought 2 of the kits that is was made for them by IPS. I would much rather repair a windshield than polish out a scratch or wiper buff. It works but it is time consuming. I can make much more $$$$ in an hour of repairing vs. an hour of polishing. I am wondering out of all the people that replied to this thread how many actually own a kit and have worked with them?

[CPR]

John62, sounds like you may be IPS?????, Just curious, I spoke with IPS and Russ Williams from CV Glass around a year ago about a headlight polishing kit.

[John62]

No, I'm not IPS, not even with them, just cant stand people who blew up ''their'' products, that are in fact, another ones.
Just cant stand lies.
And no, Janvil is not good at all.

[repare-brise]

GWT

The reason for the interest is that scratch removal, and the reason I developed a system for me and my franchisee's is that there is good demand for the service and it can be profitable if done right. With the cerium only based systems, they are relativly slow, but for superficial scratches they do a good job. The reason most people abandon scratch removal as a business oportunity, is lack of training, wrong equipment for the job(or taking on a scratch that is deeper than there system can reasonably handle), lack of practice, negative customer feedback due to distortion, and it takes too long. With the proper equipment, training and practice, most scratches can be removed under an hour. One of my franchisee's that does a good amont of polishing now, when he started out a scratch that now takes him 45 mins took him 3 hours, but with practice and perseverance(1 month) he is now doing 10-15 polishing jobs a week with a minimum of $90 per job. Needless to say he is hooked and so are his customers. Dealers and trucking companies are the largest consumers of this service, with lease returns constantly growing.

Lee

Distortion is a relative thing, next drive you take look through the WS of the car beside you and you will see distortion, but viewed from straight on we don't see these waves. Working the scratch progressivly wider will in fact give you results that apear distortion free from a 45-90 degree angle, go to a 10-45 degree angle and you will see distortion, but fortunatly we don't look through our WS at that angle. As for the molicule thing, on a microscopic level there is slight softening of the glass. Ceruim oxide can indeed raise those tempruratures and I have cracked glass in testing(to find the limits). Glass is an excellent thermal conductor, and disapates heat well. Also the Cerium oxide creates a chemical reaction with the glass that softens a very thin layer of the glasson the surface, rendering it more maliable. Follow this link for a brief explination http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/103/ .

Merci

[Lee]

Working the scratch progressively wider will in fact give you results that appear distortion free from a 45-90 degree angle, go to a 10-45 degree angle and you will see distortion, but fortunately we don't look through our WS at that angle. (quote)

I completely agree with you on this. It appears to be distortion free but it is still distorted.

This is from your link.

When the polishing powder is applied to glass, it reacts with the surface to produce a complex cerium-oxygen-silicon compound softer than glass. This softer surface layer can then be more easily applied to produce the final polished surface. As polishing is the final step in the surfacing process, it should not be expected to remove errors made during previous steps when the shape is formed and smoothed. It is therefore necessary that both previous steps, beveling and smoothing are done correctly and accurately

It says absolutely nothing about microscopic moving of molecules. Also cerium oxide is the last step in the beveling process and as stated is not for removing errors of the previous steps. Now how do we get a cerium-oxide-silicon compound, we grind the glass with cerium-oxide to remove silicone. When you remove material you get distortion as you have said.
There is no such thing as a Distortion Free System. It should be called a Least Distortion System Subject to Operators Expertise.
Mercy Merci Ok I'm done no applause.

[repare-brise]

Lee

The cerium silione mix is caused by the "melting" of the glass(silica), and the cerium mixing with the silica gives us the "molecular movement" that some systems describe. I am with you 100% with your politically correct renaming of distortion free systems.

Merci

[Janvil]

No, I'm not IPS, not even with them, just cant stand people who blew up ''their'' products, that are in fact, another ones.
Just cant stand lies.
And no, Janvil is not good at all.

John62;

You seem to have a lot of opinions here with a bias that points to two companies. You mentioned our Janvil Product in your post. Would you like to elaborate on your experience with our product? Please include the date you purchased it and the invoice number of your purchase. Since we sell several systems, which one are you referring to. We would like to know what experience you are basing your comment on. We at Janvil would appreciate it is you would give us a call at our toll free number to discuss your experiences with our product. You can find this number on the front of your scratch removal system manual. Being that we are the manufacturer of our product, we take feedback about our product very seriously. I will be happy to post the highlights of our conversation after you give us a call and so that we can share them with the group. I look forward to speaking with you.

Regards;

Paul @ Janvil

[John62]

Hi Paul,

Did I really say something about your company being not the manufacturer of the Janvil products? I don't see where.
I do not believe that DeltaKits opened this Forum to have discussions between Janvil and me.
I only mentioned Glas.Weld -being a liar.

We have no experience with the Janvil products, the way we have been treated at your company however, makes that we will not order there.
With you, with all respect, my discussions ends here.

[Delta Kits]

And no, Janvil is not good at all.

We have no experience with the Janvil products

To all members:

When giving opinions on systems, technique, etc., if you have not used it before, and are simply offering an opinion based on limited knowledge, it is required that you put that in your post.

Also, when giving "reviews" of products, please state your reasonings. What one person may find not good, another may consider a feature. This board could be filled in a couple days with posts like:

Brand x sux
I luv brand y.

None of those are useful. Let's keep it to:

I like brand x because it has feature A.

I dislike brand y because it doesn't have feature B.

Thanks!

[GlassStarz]

I agree with jeff .
As far as Janvil is concerned if the product does half what they say its gotta be worth twice what they charge. I have been doing alot of research on the scratch removing products on the market and after talking to several who offer it the Janvil system seems like the best bang for your buck I will be purchasing it in the next couple weeks and will post my results.