computer based WR kits -worth the money?

[PDQ Auto Glass]

I am currently doing research to choose a company where I can purchase a WR kit ? I am currently leaning toward Delta kits. I realize that training and support are probably the most important elements in choosing a first rate company to team up with- and, most equipment can all get the job done!

I have recently come across a system that is about 4k and claims to be computer based. I believe that GT is the manufacturer. Why would I consider a system that is more than 4 times expensive as Delta kits? What advantages could it possibly have? Please help!!!

[gt_repair]

I use GT, but I would not use the machine system. The machine does not know when a break is cracking out. You are standing there anyway, you might as well do the work...

The EQ is used for the replacement shops so they can do repairs and replacements at the same time......

I will not talk up the Gt system on a delta site. I got in to much trouble in the past for that.... Just, I like the one I have..

[starstruck]

It's my opinion that when it comes to wsr, a computer can't possibly finesse a repair with the various tecniques it often takes to get the job done right!
A computer could control vacuum and pressure cycles and injection but that's it. We all know there is often times more to it than that.

[Brent Deines]

I use GT, but I would not use the machine system. The machine does not know when a break is cracking out. You are standing there anyway, you might as well do the work...

The EQ is used for the replacement shops so they can do repairs and replacements at the same time......

I will not talk up the Gt system on a delta site. I got in to much trouble in the past for that.... Just, I like the one I have..

You didn't get in trouble by me. Opinions are welcome, selling is not, simple as that. There are plenty on this forum who don't use Delta Kits products and have repeatedly expressed that fact. This is a Delta Kits site and members should be respectful of that fact, but if I'm going to be accused of not allowing opinions of others who happen to like other repair systems, I have hundreds of posts I need to delete.

[screenman]

I have not used computerised equipment, howeverI have used a sledgehammer to crack a nut and there was not much left to eat. I would imagine that the high tech equipment does 1 minute suction 1 minute pressure and few timew and then you take it off and cure it. Now this equipment must be good to tell the difference between different break types unconnected legs etc. Does it also do dry out when needed I wonder how it works that out. Now as you can tell I am little biased towards good old fashioned but still up to date Delta Equipment, That you can twiddle with and minutely adjust, flex the legs and genrally make a very good job with. All this at a very affordable price. Spend the extra money on a holiday, or a nicer vehicle or better still keep it in the bank.

[gt_repair]

Brent
I was refering to your EX monitor. Jeffery. "The delete kid" If I came close to saying something that he did not like, DELETE. :eusa_naug


PDQ

I have 2 VP5000 machines that are like the Maxim's. They were pritty good to use, but get heavy to lug around all the time. 14 years lugging it around took a toll on my shoulders. They are on the shelf now. I will sell them off on Ebay one of these days or strip them down for parts for something else.

The Eliminator is the one I think you would be refering to, and is just as heavy if not more 15 LB's. and from what I posted before would be for a replacment shop to use as a add on. Hands on is your best for doing repairs.

I use the Spectrum now and like it. One or two cycles to do a repair and it is done. It does use the dry vacum with the side chamber. I like that feature, and it works..

It just does not do vertical repairs. I use the LR injectors for vertical repairs and hate it. But that is all I found at this time to do vert. repairs. Still looking without dumping a lot of $$$$ for one use.

[Brent Deines]

Don, I'm not sure what happened between you and Jeff, and I don't want this thread to get completely off track with a big debate about a former Delta Kits employee, but I have to say that I feel Jeff did an exceptional job running this forum, and to say he deleted anything he did not like is simply not true. Jeff did delete posts that in his judgment were out of line, just as I do, but also left many, many posts that he disagreed with, just as I do. The fact is, neither of us have deleted nearly as many posts as some people think.

I'll say no more on the subject, except to say that until you have been seated in this chair you have no idea how much time and thought goes into trying to keep 3000+ people with different personalities happy. Someone always thinks you have it in for them, but that is simply not the case.

[maxryde]

Brent
I was refering to your EX monitor. Jeffery. "The delete kid" If I came close to saying something that he did not like, DELETE. :eusa_naug


PDQ

I have 2 VP5000 machines that are like the Maxim's. They were pritty good to use, but get heavy to lug around all the time. 14 years lugging it around took a toll on my shoulders. They are on the shelf now. I will sell them off on Ebay one of these days or strip them down for parts for something else.

The Eliminator is the one I think you would be refering to, and is just as heavy if not more 15 LB's. and from what I posted before would be for a replacment shop to use as a add on. Hands on is your best for doing repairs.

I use the Spectrum now and like it. One or two cycles to do a repair and it is done. It does use the dry vacum with the side chamber. I like that feature, and it works..

It just does not do vertical repairs. I use the LR injectors for vertical repairs and hate it. But that is all I found at this time to do vert. repairs. Still looking without dumping a lot of $$$$ for one use.

Hey Don, which LR injector were you referring to? I have the resonator qt which I too like on vertical work, I.E. buses tractors, even the Scion/Element and other vertical applications. You also referred to the weight of the equipment, I can certainly agree with that. One thing I thought about too is that your doing one chip at a time with the unit, I mean like wow, I gotta do two minimum to get anywhere, if I only had one system I be out of business right now!! We have a dozen bridges of different kinds and at times we have them all going at the same time. With only two techs working them it gets hectic! I use delta gear on regular applications due to the ease of use factor (we have four of these) but I like the pre load/dry vac feature of the LR equipment too(four also). We live in a very wet climate, I'm talkin 40 days and 40 nights here, the dryout necessity element is a constant issue. We do have 3 months of fairly dry weather but you can't survive w/o a good dryvac/cover arrangement here.

I see your in Arizona, you could teach cooling techniques!!! We deal with drying and warming issues here!!

Now about Jeffrey, he was a good moderator. While maybe considered a little heavy handed with the delete/edit function of HIS job at delta, (he had other responsibilities also), I believe he did a pretty good job overall, I agree he was, well lets just say a little over protective..... Heh, JMO Ummm sry Brent you were responding while I was so....

[gt_repair]

Comment:
I am not going to drag this out either on that other guy that went with that other system...... I like it that Brent has it a little more laxed as long as we do not abuse it. and the long time members know the line to walk. I can read on the newbies that don't no the line as of yet. But time will teach them also.

Maxryde:

I am using the Resinator Q.T for Vert. repairs. It might be that I am just so used to the GT and the speed and results I can do with that on a regular repair... The LR takes so long to do a repair and so many cycles. It could just be me.....

I can see the differance in repairs even on regulars with the two of them side by side same style of break. The GT is faster and a better job that I can see..


Oh Well

[StarQuest]

For $4000,

I'd expect a MP3, DVD 8" screen, navigation, bose surround sound and Onstar communications included (for when you needed tech support using it)

Has anybody on this forum actually bought and used one of this? Looks really cool and high tech but not sold on the price tag!