Urethane?

[Windshield Guy]

Tips anyone on SIKA urethane? Which is the best to use in your opinion?

[glassdude]

I've never used Sika urethane.
What I do like and recommend is Essex Betaseal One. About 8 bucks a tube. The great thing about this is that it is a one component urethane that has a safe drive away time of 1-hour at temps as low as "0" degrees. Winter is among us now especially in the northern states. Check with your glass distributor.
It's a fantastic product.
Hope this helps.
-Jeff

[streekyd]

Sika is a great product, the primers come in the case. It has the one hour drive time and is one part. Meets all the specs just like all the other urethanes.
Speak with a Sika rep, then with a Dow rep, then a Dinol/EFTEC. rep then decide for yourself. Become an educated technician on adhesives.
Not sure about Beataseal being used OEM.
400HV and its priming system are.

Bottom line if you read, understand and follow the adhesive and primer instructions you will have a safe installation. Each one of these urethanes is used at the OEM level.

[Windshield Guy]

So all but Betaseal can be used on OEM and aftermarket? Why not Betaseal on OEM?

Sika is a great product, the primers come in the case. It has the one hour drive time and is one part. Meets all the specs just like all the other urethanes.
Speak with a Sika rep, then with a Dow rep, then a Dinol/EFTEC. rep then decide for yourself. Become an educated technician on adhesives.
Not sure about Beataseal being used OEM.
400HV and its priming system are.

Bottom line if you read, understand and follow the adhesive and primer instructions you will have a safe installation. Each one of these urethanes is used at the OEM level.

[Windshield Guy]

Glassdude, are you using the oven with the Sika urethane? For those who want further info click below ...

http://www.sikaindustry.com/ind/ipd-autoglass.htm

I've never used Sika urethane.
What I do like and recommend is Essex Betaseal One. About 8 bucks a tube. The great thing about this is that it is a one component urethane that has a safe drive away time of 1-hour at temps as low as "0" degrees. Winter is among us now especially in the northern states. Check with your glass distributor.
It's a fantastic product.
Hope this helps.
-Jeff

[streekyd]

So all but Betaseal can be used on OEM and aftermarket? Why not Betaseal on OEM?

My apologies if I was not clear. The point is I do not believe Betaseal is used in the vehicle manufacturing plants for OEM windshield installations. 400 is. Ask a Dow/Essex Rep for clarification.
One can use any urethane on any glass install in the aftermarket, just follow the approved AGRESS and urethane mfg's installation procedures.

One other point. Make sure you use a High Modulus adhesive and/ or a Low Conductivity adhesive when the application calls for it.

[Windshield Guy]

Thanks alot for the info. I also found this chart on the NGA site :

http://www.autoglassmagazine.net/adhesive_featart.htm
http://www.autoglassmagazine.net/adhesiveschart03.pdf

My apologies if I was not clear. The point is I do not believe Betaseal is used in the vehicle manufacturing plants for OEM windshield installations. 400 is. Ask a Dow/Essex Rep for clarification.
One can use any urethane on any glass install in the aftermarket, just follow the approved AGRESS and urethane mfg's installation procedures.

One other point. Make sure you use a High Modulus adhesive and/ or a Low Conductivity adhesive when the application calls for it.

[glassdude]

Glassdude, are you using the oven with the Sika urethane? For those who want further info click below ...

http://www.sikaindustry.com/ind/ipd-autoglass.htm

I'm not using Sika.
Betaseal One is the ticket. It meets OEM requirements. And Ford recognizes it for OEM replacement.
It Does Not need an oven. You simply use it as is. You do need to prime the glass and pichweld of course.
One hour safe drive away time in temos as low as Zero degrees.

[sag canada]

i use the sika tack move goes cool sausage pack, it is pretty good drive away time is usually 1 hour at 10 degrees below zero, below the human foctor for a mobile job outside. i can usually get 2 cars installed safely with one tube

[bill4117]

ive had factory training in all dow/essex autoglass products and sika products and to be honest if you can afford the longer drive away time essex 418hv can't be beat.( we call it urethane with training wheels) it's cold applied and primerless to autoglass as the primer is incorperated into the adhesive. for shorter times i use sika asap. we have had a problem with essex express. it seems in northern climates with the cold to hot shift within a year the urethane releases from the glass. i work for a national company and we've had the problem cross country so the company switched to sika in the north. i'd check with dow to see if the problem has been corrected before using it.